Transcript
Introduction to the Owner’s Pride Podcast
[0:00] People want someone who’s going to listen to them, and it’s a challenge.
I mean, trust me. I mean, we’re in sales, both of us, effectively.
We love to talk, but you’ve got to learn to be quiet.
So be honest, be sincere, know what drives you, and just be nice to people.
Welcome to the Owner’s Pride Podcast. I’m your host, Dan Williams. Dan E. William.
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Today, I have a special guest, Mr. Matthew Fleshman, The car dad, social media influencer, came from the world of detailing.
[0:59] This is going to be a barn burner of an interview right here because he has a ton of information in social media influencing and marketing and advertising that is going to directly, be usable for a lot of the people that listen to this. Matthew, how are you doing?
I’m great. How are you, Dan? Absolutely fantastic. Fantastic.
After we got through some of the goblins and we’re up and running, I’m feeling on top of the world, actually.
Yes, the perils of the great thing about electronics is they’re great until they don’t work and then they’re not so great. But we get past it.
Now, with you, I obviously, because you’re a social media influencer and all the stuff that you do online, you kept popping up on my screen over and over.
So I reached out to you and I was like, this guy, you know, similar age and he’s a big in the in the auto industry.
And I saw there was detailing. Um…
[1:56] I really just thought I’d reach out. And as it turns out, it looks like there’s going to be all kinds of pinball action that we can do stuff together here moving forward.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It’s going to be exciting. Yep. Okay.
Early Memories of Car Enthusiasm
[2:09] So I like to do these a little bit similar in the beginning, although it’s going to really go into your journey as we move through.
But what I like to say first is let’s jump in the Wayback Machine.
And I think you know what I’m talking about. And we’re going to go all the way back to a young Matthew Fleshman life where you were going to tell me the story of the very first memory you have of ever washing, cleaning, detailing, or doing anything to a car. This is your story. Let’s have it.
Yeah. So, you know, my passion for cars really started very, very early.
My dad liked cars. And I remember this is, gosh, I’m going to date myself here.
This is back in the 70s, probably 79 or 1980.
He took me over to a drag race. And it was the first time other than seeing, you know, a basic car show, you know, real racing and real automotive people.
And from the time I’ve been four years old and I’ll be 48 next month, I’ve been hooked ever since.
[3:07] Now, so going to watch the drag races, was this like the funny cars or like a local track drag race with, you know, run what you brung or the big nitro cars? What kind of cars were these?
[3:20] No, this is back in the day. So this is over at the time it was called Gateway.
It was the big drag racing area here over in St. Louis. We have a large drag strip and a circle track.
It’s now, I forgot what we call it, but I still call it Gateway.
Matthew’s Involvement in Drag Racing
[3:33] So this was back in the day when there were funny cars. cars, and guys like Don Perdon and those types of old guys, you know, and I think what’s so amazing is, you know, back then, what was considered to be a fast car is, heck, a Tesla Model Plaid these days, and that was a race car, so, you know, just the excitement, the noise, and the one smell to this day that just brings me back, and that is the smell of just uncatalyzed gas, so if you don’t know what that smells like, you know, a car that doesn’t have a catalytic converter, maybe an older car, there’s just something about that smell that just puts a smile on my face every single day and I love it so you know that’s really where my passion began which was really early on in life and I think that’s just so important I think about my young son now Max who right around the same age got very involved with cars and look you know all these years later I’m making a living with cars so I guess it worked out yep so with racing drag racing being your first races that you’ve gone to have you you followed drag racing? Have you raced yourself over the course?
[4:38] I’ve never done any professional drag racing myself. Obviously I do like racing.
I’ve had a few teams that I did about two years ago. I did some social media with a couple of drag racing teams here, uh, in the area.
It was a collaborative with, um, uh, gateway classic cars.
They were, uh, they sponsored Jim Dunn racing. We did some stuff with that.
Um, but you know, like anything else, the older you get, the busier you get all of our little fun things that we get to do. Unfortunately, and we just don’t get to do enough.
I would love to travel and do more with racing, but unfortunately right now it’s just not in the cards. Yeah.
Pretty neat, though. We do a lot of interviews with young race drivers as well as Indy 500 champions and stuff, and really a unique breed of people with balls the size of church bells.
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
Different Perspectives on Racing
[5:25] And the more into the future we get, they do put a lot more safety measures in there, but I just can’t imagine sitting that close to the ground and going that fast it’s fun though you should try it sometime well i take the hot rod out to when we had street legal racing here and i have a 383 stroker and 100 shot um so we get out there and get down a little bit but nothing like those people who are you know two three seconds for for a quarter mile that’s just insanity it’s i think the other thing too is just you know that.
[5:57] I’m in the more of the if I’m going to go to racing, I would rather go to local car shows and find these guys who are kind of doing the street racing.
I know that may be a little frowned upon.
But that’s really kind of the excitement is there’s there’s a lot of guys in this area, especially since I do influencing, you know, I do know a lot of guys and I’m always invited up to a lot of street racing, but I’m an old man and I have to, you know, stay out of trouble these days.
[6:19] I’m right there with you, brother. I’m right there with you.
The Beginnings of Matthew’s Detailing Passion
[6:21] Okay, so let’s touch back on that that first experience of ever washing or cleaning a car, though?
Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, when I grew up, my dad was a policeman, my mom babysat kids at home.
You know, we weren’t poor, but we definitely, you know, weren’t the wealthy folks.
And I knew being a car lover, absolute car lover, that the only way that I was never going to be able to get anything that I really wanted is I had to work for it.
And so loving cars, I had a neighbor that had this really cool chevelle i used to kind of help him clean it up and my my dad had kind of a cool car he had a trans am that ultimately became mine and you know i was i was very interested because i i thought you know gosh these these cars just looked good when you go to the car show show the paint was gleaming and the chrome wheels looked great and back then too chrome you know chrome was big back in the 80s and 90s you know so all the chrome was polished up and the things just just looked absolutely amazing.
[7:16] But what I knew was there was a lot of people who didn’t really want to work on their own cars.
But I started working on my own car, and I was doing it out of my driveway.
I was about 15, 16 at the time.
And I wanted to learn more about detailing, and I had a neighbor that actually worked at a body shop, which is, again, back a long time ago.
That’s really where detailing was birthed out of. It was birthed out of the body shops.
These were guys that were doing the old cut and buffs. They were sanding and polishing fresh paint and they learned that they could.
Learning Detailing Techniques from Body Shops
[7:47] Take that over into something retail like detailing. And that’s kind of how I learned.
And so I remember a neighbor next door, his name was Steve.
He was a salesman and he had a company car and he had an annual allowance to get his car cleaned up.
And so he said, hey, you know, I’ve noticed that you’re always cleaning up your cars.
You do a great job. You look great. I see you polishing them, doing all these things. How much would you charge for my car?
And so, you know, this is 1992. We’re talking here, of course.
And I said, you know, I really don’t know, know, totally not knowing what’s going on, I said, but let’s just take a look at your car, Steve, and we’ll come up with the price.
And so I walked over, it was a Ford Taurus, and he told me what we wanted, and I remember a guy telling me, he said, you know, he had two prices, this is way back in the day, you know, a detail and a polish, which was just a quick foam pad on an old rotary and cleaning up the inside and washing the car up was 50 bucks, but if you put a coat of wax on, you could charge 75.
So I told him, I said, well, I have two prices, 50 bucks.
I’ll vacuum the inside, wipe everything down, put armor on everything.
Cause that’s all there really was.
And I’ll, and I’ll polish the paint outside. I’ll use a foam pad.
I’ll remove all that stuff and put two coats of wax, two coats of wax for $75.
And he said, sold. And I was hooked ever since.
[9:00] Man, that’s awesome. Awesome. I like how you, uh, just kind of went into it.
Matthew’s First Paid Detailing Job
[9:04] Well, I got two prices and took the information that you’d been given and just owned it and closed the sale right out of the chute.
Right out of the chute. Do you remember how you felt when he was like, okay?
I mean, when you just, through your first attempt, you threw a line out and caught a fish. How did that feel?
Well, it was two things. Number one, I would say I was excited that somebody was going to pay me to clean their car, right?
Like, that was unheard of. I’m 16, 15 at the time.
I knew I needed money. I kind of had a job. You know, I did have a job, but it was in a fast food restaurant like most teenagers, but I hated it.
And I started realizing, this could be minimally a good side hustle.
You know, if I could do a couple of cars a weekend, you know, I can make a couple hundred bucks before you know it, I’d have a car.
Yeah. And that’s the early days of detailing when it was just really getting rolling.
Childhood Dreams vs. Career Path
[9:52] Now, if we went back to like an 11-year-old Matthew Fleshman and somebody said, what are you going to be when you grow up?
And here’s where this question is kind of interesting, because you ended up in the long shot of it being an influencer, which wasn’t really a thing back then. If you ask kids today, what do you want to be? They’re like, I want to be a YouTuber.
But if we were going to ask, you know, in in the late 80s, Matthew Fleshman, what are you going to be when you grow up? What would you have said them?
[10:19] The president of the united states i have it written down on a piece of paper, i wanted to be the president back at a very early age why i’m not really just fooling me but uh, initially i think um yeah it was politics even at a very early age of 11 i want to be the president, um but uh unfortunately you know these cars should be coming around you know when you start getting into that 11 12 year old and you know girls start entering the scene and there’s guys you know Because back then, things are different.
Older guys that had cool cars, they hung outside in the driveway and they talked to the kids and took you for rides and just did different things.
So once all that started coming around and I think the testosterone kicked in because we get a little testosterone surge of having the coolest, nicest car on the block.
[11:08] Yeah, I never really thought about that again, to be honest with you.
Yeah, I can’t imagine all that pressure. No, thank you.
Evolution of Car Paint Systems
[11:15] You um and you know i do miss the heck out of those chrome bumpers those were they’ve changed everything to have these just you know molded plastic bumpers that if you tap on something it’s you have to get it repainted and fixed and that that old chrome stuff you could ram some stuff well you know but it does bring up an interesting point and you were talking about this you know back kind of in the early days of detailing you know if you just look at the cars back then and what the materials are then even so we’re talking you know what 30 years ago 30 plus years ago 1992 you know materials that cars are made out of back then and what they’re made up today while there are similarities you know they put paint on cars back then they put solid wheels on them they put real chrome bumpers they put real chrome wheels on the cars and so.
[12:05] When you start looking at just today, I always say today it’s actually harder to detail a modern car, in some ways than it is an older car, only from the standpoint of they used to put paint on them, they used to put thick metal, they used to have heavy bumpers, and you can polish or clean most of it with just a few tools.
You know, back then we didn’t even have a clay bar. You know, clay didn’t come out to the late 90s, so your limitations at the time of what you could do, uh really in some ways were kind of driven by the fact that you know there weren’t these fancy paint systems and all these you know black plastics everywhere um the cars had paint on them you know things were just different back then and up until the early 1980s it was all single stage paint it was it was single stage um you know which again products that we have today we talk about fancy paint systems you know if you’re not a detailer not familiar the difference between in a single stage or a two-stage paint system. Cars didn’t have clear coat.
You put a polisher on the car, your pad returned with color because you were actually sanding down or filing down or paint correcting real paint.
So by the way, for the record, I love single stage paint. I wish they’d bring it back. It makes it absolutely amazing.
You know, Lexus still puts single stage on some of their cars.
Yeah, that and the white Toyotas as well. Yeah. Lexus and Toyota are sister companies.
[13:29] And I think that’s the only ones that do. Do airplanes also have single-stage paint?
Yeah, but on the automotive side, I think Toyota is the only one that’s still doing it. I know it surprised a friend of mine a couple of months ago when he was paint correcting a new Lexus.
He thought he burned through the paint.
Okay, so you’re in the fast food restaurant.
You do this job. You get paint. You’re like, okay.
Transition from Fireman to Detailer
[13:54] So then you went, after that, you went away to school.
What did you go to school for? So, you know, basically, you know, when I was in high school and I was working at a restaurant, you know, I was working at a Burger King. It was a terrible job.
I did it all summer. And that’s when I finally said, there’s no way.
I’ve got to have something different. So I actually went to school locally.
So very, very early on, I decided I wanted to be a fireman.
So I went to school. I went in health care, went off to college.
But I always had detailing on the side. detailing really for me honestly up until about 2018 was always a side business for me you know if you were a fireman you only work 10 days a month so it was always a side business but when I was in.
[14:39] School Initially, I was in nursing school believe it or not.
I was gonna be a nurse. I just I just I worked at a hospital I just couldn’t stand being in a hospital the entire time.
You know, I just have too much energy to sit back But detailing was always that side hustle so I was you know in nursing school decided they want to become a fireman You know dad was a cop wanted to be a policeman initially.
He actually told me no I’m gonna be a fireman And so I went to fire school, came out and did that for many, many years.
You know, again, fireman, we work two days on, four days off.
You have plenty of free time.
And going back to detailing was always just, you know, whatever you want to call it, a release. But, you know, detailing has never felt like work to me.
It really never has. I just enjoyed it. And it didn’t matter how bad the car was or how long it was.
It was just, I think, such a mental focus from a very high-stress job.
I mean, to be a fireman, to be a paramedic, especially in the St.
Louis area, you know, there’s a lot of crime in this area. We see a lot of crazy things.
For me, it was just that mental release, that happy place to where after working, I could come back and do something that I just enjoyed doing.
So, you know, detailing more than just initially being a source of money and a way to, you know, go from not having a car to having some really cool cars as a kid, it transcended and really becoming more of a passion and just an escape for me.
Importance of People Skills in Detailing
ragedies and having to do triage and help stuff, you got cars that are coming in there and you probably feel the same way, like, oh my gosh, this is a disaster.
And you even get to be the nurse and the doctor to deliver the right prescription to get the car looking back good again.
[16:27] Yeah, I think where more skills came from working in fire and MS us is actually dealing with just dealing with employees, to be honest with you.
I think the employment portion of it was learning the people skills.
The people skills are probably the biggest thing I learned while working in the fire service, honestly, people skills.
You know, as you as you have a detailing business, or just in day to day life, that’s probably the most valuable thing that you can have.
If you can talk to people and exude, you know, a feeling of confidence, but not overconfidence and show that you have compassion for people, you can get so incredibly much done in life.
Yeah, no, it is. And it’s, we’ll talk about that.
I’ll kind of talk about some of the, you know, just changes, you know, and you do, you talk about just being able to talk and communicate.
And I don’t want to skip ahead too far. But that is, you know, something that I’ve kind of talked about a lot of younger detailers is that, you know.
[17:26] When you have a problem with a customer typically the reason why that breaks down and ends up being very poor is just not very good communication they either don’t want to communicate immediately a situation to the customer or they don’t want to be fully honest with the customer and again how you communicate with people is everything both in your daily life or in business the communication though is absolutely key in how you do it you know we talk about social media and how people have kinda lost a little bit bit of their, let’s say, person skills, you know, person-to-person skills, because they’re not used to seeing someone face-to-face.
And I think that’s a big challenge for a lot of people is that, you know, talking to someone face-to-face, carrying on a conversation, and building a relationship can be difficult for them. So it’s definitely a skill they need to learn.
Yeah. And I agree with you absolutely on the face-to-face.
I’m huge on doing video and being able to see somebody with the Moravian ratio.
There’s a lot more of the information that you can gather from seeing people’s facial and physical cues than just what they’re saying.
[18:35] Yeah, no, absolutely. It’s everything. And you know, we talk about sales and being in sales, and I work for sales organization and help with some of the training.
And probably the biggest thing, you know, that I tell our younger salesmen is people will buy from people they like or people who are like them and what I mean by like it’s not that you have to agree upon everything or be best friends but they have to have a warm and fuzzy feeling from you and you need to build that skill early on because relationships is where it’s at whether you’re dealing with a customer let’s say in a retail environment or if you’re a mobile detailer or just on social media it all carries over so people skills are huge huge within detailing or any business for that matter you know it it absolutely does and i tell a lot of the guys that we work with that’s absolutely true if you’re getting a marketing company to work with or picking a chemical supplier if you find somebody who you kind of resonate with their brand and their culture and you like them as a person that’s going to be a great relationship if you start feeling the that not quite right stuff and and you’re not not gelling with them, it’s going to turn into a car wreck.
And I’ve seen it happen over and over and over.
[19:54] No, it is. I mean, and we talk about all the time, finding customers that are like you and the right customers.
And you’re not going to get along with every single customer.
[20:06] The way I look at it is there’s a service that I can provide you and you want to pay for it. You’re going to be my best friend.
I mean, that’s kind of just how I am. But, you know, I think it comes down to just maturity.
You know, one of the challenges I think you see within any service related industry and detailing is obviously has these challenges.
A lot of the folks that enter into the detailing industry are much younger.
And they were raised maybe a little bit different. It’s not about good or bad or right or wrong.
It’s just, it’s a different time of life.
And I think where there can be some challenges is a lot of younger folks are dealing with old gray hair guys like you and me.
And we have maybe an expectation for what we’re seeing as far as service or phone calls.
If I make a call to your business or I come into your business, kind of what our expectation is.
And things have just become a little bit more casual.
And so I think we have to, I’m not saying change who you are.
But what I’m saying is be aware that you may not be talking to a 22-year-old on the phone who wants to be called dude and that and all these other things that the young kids say. Because I have those young kids.
[21:17] Keep that in mind. Mirror your customer. If you’ve got a younger customer and that’s how they’re talking, great.
But if you’re talking with an old guy like me, I’m not your bro. I’m not your bro.
Okay? Don’t treat me like your bro. bro, treat me like a customer.
Treat me like a human, treat me like a professional.
Importance of People Skills in Detailing
[16:05] And almost in the same vein as when you were a fireman and you were seeing tragedies and having to do triage and help stuff, you got cars that are coming in there and you probably feel the same way, like, oh my gosh, this is a disaster.
And you even get to be the nurse and the doctor to deliver the right prescription to get the car looking back good again.
[16:27] Yeah, I think where more skills came from working in fire and MS us is actually dealing with just dealing with employees, to be honest with you.
I think the employment portion of it was learning the people skills.
The people skills are probably the biggest thing I learned while working in the fire service, honestly, people skills.
You know, as you as you have a detailing business, or just in day to day life, that’s probably the most valuable thing that you can have.
If you can talk to people and exude, you know, a feeling of confidence, but not overconfidence and show that you have compassion for people, you can get so incredibly much done in life.
Yeah, no, it is. And it’s, we’ll talk about that.
I’ll kind of talk about some of the, you know, just changes, you know, and you do, you talk about just being able to talk and communicate.
And I don’t want to skip ahead too far. But that is, you know, something that I’ve kind of talked about a lot of younger detailers is that, you know.
[17:26] When you have a problem with a customer typically the reason why that breaks down and ends up being very poor is just not very good communication they either don’t want to communicate immediately a situation to the customer or they don’t want to be fully honest with the customer and again how you communicate with people is everything both in your daily life or in business the communication though is absolutely key in how you do it you know we talk about social media and how people have kinda lost a little bit bit of their, let’s say, person skills, you know, person-to-person skills, because they’re not used to seeing someone face-to-face.
And I think that’s a big challenge for a lot of people is that, you know, talking to someone face-to-face, carrying on a conversation, and building a relationship can be difficult for them. So it’s definitely a skill they need to learn.
Yeah. And I agree with you absolutely on the face-to-face.
I’m huge on doing video and being able to see somebody with the Moravian ratio.
There’s a lot more of the information that you can gather from seeing people’s facial and physical cues than just what they’re saying.
[18:35] Yeah, no, absolutely. It’s everything. And you know, we talk about sales and being in sales, and I work for sales organization and help with some of the training.
And probably the biggest thing, you know, that I tell our younger salesmen is people will buy from people they like or people who are like them and what I mean by like it’s not that you have to agree upon everything or be best friends but they have to have a warm and fuzzy feeling from you and you need to build that skill early on because relationships is where it’s at whether you’re dealing with a customer let’s say in a retail environment or if you’re a mobile detailer or just on social media it all carries over so people skills are huge huge within detailing or any business for that matter you know it it absolutely does and i tell a lot of the guys that we work with that’s absolutely true if you’re getting a marketing company to work with or picking a chemical supplier if you find somebody who you kind of resonate with their brand and their culture and you like them as a person that’s going to be a great relationship if you start feeling the that not quite right stuff and and you’re not not gelling with them, it’s going to turn into a car wreck.
And I’ve seen it happen over and over and over.
[19:54] No, it is. I mean, and we talk about all the time, finding customers that are like you and the right customers.
And you’re not going to get along with every single customer.
[20:06] The way I look at it is there’s a service that I can provide you and you want to pay for it. You’re going to be my best friend.
I mean, that’s kind of just how I am. But, you know, I think it comes down to just maturity.
You know, one of the challenges I think you see within any service related industry and detailing is obviously has these challenges.
A lot of the folks that enter into the detailing industry are much younger.
And they were raised maybe a little bit different. It’s not about good or bad or right or wrong.
It’s just, it’s a different time of life.
And I think where there can be some challenges is a lot of younger folks are dealing with old gray hair guys like you and me.
And we have maybe an expectation for what we’re seeing as far as service or phone calls.
If I make a call to your business or I come into your business, kind of what our expectation is.
And things have just become a little bit more casual.
And so I think we have to, I’m not saying change who you are.
But what I’m saying is be aware that you may not be talking to a 22-year-old on the phone who wants to be called dude and that and all these other things that the young kids say. Because I have those young kids.
[21:17] Keep that in mind. Mirror your customer. If you’ve got a younger customer and that’s how they’re talking, great.
But if you’re talking with an old guy like me, I’m not your bro. I’m not your bro.
Okay? Don’t treat me like your bro. bro, treat me like a customer.
Treat me like a human, treat me like a professional.
Professional Growth in Detailing
[21:37] Okay, so you get in, you’re being a fireman. Then you moved into detailing actually, right?
Can you tell me? So I know how you got started, but take me on the story of how you really started to get more deeply involved professionally with detailing and how you started to really shift your focus to high-end cars and restoration stuff. Sure.
[22:01] Right in, right around 2010, 2011, you know, I was, of course, always doing this out of my garage.
Was it a business at the time? Kind of. I mean, again, it was more of a part-time thing, referral-based stuff, people in the neighborhood.
But I started to have some friends who started to get some nicer cars.
The older we got, they would get nicer cars. Or they would get a collector car, and they’d say, hey, can you detail the car?
And so I started to detail their cars. We have a very big car show here in St.
Louis. I’m sure everybody does a big Easter car show somewhere, right? Right.
And so guys were starting to bring, you know, their classic car saying, hey, can you clean it up? I want to win first place.
And so over time, I started to do more and more cars and guys started winning more and more and more.
And everything was going great. And I was actually thinking about 2014, maybe a little bit before that, you know, going into detailing full time because it was going so well until I got hit by a car on February 10th of 2014.
And if you can’t tell, pretty significant back, neck, hip injury, which ended my career.
Basically from February 10th, 4.47 p.m., 2010, all the way up until 2018, I was out of it. I mean, I wasn’t working. I wasn’t doing anything.
[23:15] And so when everybody said, okay, you can kind of go back to life.
You’re okay now. Now, the fire department said that’s great, but unfortunately, you’re not physically fit to be a fireman.
So I had to have another career, and thank God detailing was there.
So I started to detail professionally late 2018, 2019, until I started to realize, and this is kind of where maybe more people started to see me, is I started understanding this thing called social media because unfortunately from 2014 up until 2018, 18, I couldn’t even be on social media because I had a legal case going on because I was hit by a car at work.
So it was like out of nowhere, I just reappeared. And so slowly over time, I looked at the first TikTok I ever made the other day, and it was a picture TikTok.
Incorporating Social Media into Detailing Business
[24:02] But I learned that, in modern times the cheapest quickest fastest way for me to connect with a consumer was going to be social media it was and that’s when you really when i started realizing okay this could can be something like i can get this message out past just my sphere of influence or referral sources you know because again this wasn’t a full-time deal you know and so i just made the decision let’s do it we’re going to incorporate we started the detail shop stl llc and we started doing retail detailing.
[24:37] And that’s really where that journey kind of transcended from us.
It was a bad event in my life. I got hit by a car.
And so out of necessity, this is where detailing came into the fold again.
And I believe everything happens for a reason.
Pretty darn incredible of a story. Cars are what got you started with your passion.
Cars kind of almost took you out and then cars brought you right back it did it’s it really does all revolve around cars so with with bill you did not only saw this but early on you started to build a brand a lot i think a lot of guys who have detail shops they really focus on their on their local community um but you started to build an entire brand which has played out very well for you what was it that that sparked you to think about that because hey we’re not super young guys and we both are very heavily on social media um but what what was it that helped you build like what kind of strategies let’s see how can i ask this with a successful career and growing a social media influence of like over 250 000 people what were some of the strategies early on that you found that worked and started actually blowing you up.
[26:01] You know, initially, you know, and this has never changed.
And this is the great thing about social media. It really just came down to number one, posting, actually getting up the nerve to post something, posting consistently, and then paying attention to trends.
What I started to notice were what videos initially, because I honestly didn’t know that much in the very beginning about social media, but what I noticed is that certain types of videos got more views, more likes, more shares than other types of videos.
So I made an assumption and said I should do more videos like that.
And initially it was very simple stuff, right? It started off with just, you know, showing before and after the picture TikTok slides, you know, that everybody used to see.
And I would just share it on Facebook because obviously Facebook is important and I shared it on TikTok and I shared it on Instagram and forever I just kind of started grinding out video after video after video but then I had a friend who was doing social media and started to give me a little advice and started to teach me how to use a camera and how to edit a video and and slowly over time with just number one posting, number two posting every single day, number three seeing the type of content that people wanted to watch, and then improving upon that with learning.
[27:30] Really snowballed into a lot of the things that you see today.
Now there’s, it’s not that simple, but in some ways it really is.
I mean, for anyone who, and I don’t care what your business is, it doesn’t matter.
The Power of Consistent Posting
[27:42] If you’re new in business and you’re wanting to, for very little money, start to slowly grow and scale your business and grow a social footprint, the number one thing I tell everybody is just start posting.
It’s going to be terrible. People are probably going to say say it’s terrible.
That’s okay. The haters are going to hate. Just keep posting.
[28:05] Yeah. Consistency is king. I agree with you so, so much.
In our owner’s pride network of detailers, we have a coaching program.
So I work with a lot of the guys. And sometimes they’re very resistant to doing that.
Maybe they have imposter syndrome or they’re shy about it where they’re not shy in in their regular life.
But overall, if you look at the world of detailing, I don’t know that there’s any other career out there that people are so much posting pictures of their work.
Detailers’ Pride in Showcasing Work
[28:38] Like I often say, you don’t see Joe down at the plant posting pictures of all of the, you know, the bolts that he put together for the day.
There’s a certain pride. So this is very, very ripe to do exactly what you did.
So as you started doing it, you just kept being consistent. At what part did you start actually looking at the analytics to compare, to figure out, and start really boiling down what was working the best?
[29:05] Well, it came down to a few things. Number one, having somebody just give me the instruction and saying, this is something that you have to look at.
Because before that, that I didn’t know what analytics were.
Okay. I, you know, there wasn’t GA4 like there is today, but you know, I didn’t know that there was a place that I could go to see.
I mean, I know when TikTok had it, but you know, not only where do you go to look for the information?
Because that’s step number one, knowing you have to look for the information, but step two, once you have the information, what do you do with it?
Right. I mean, that’s, that’s really where the rubber meets the road and that’s applicable to anything.
I mean, number one, knowing you have a problem, Number two, knowing what the problem is. But number three, how do you solve the problem? What do you do with the information?
And so having someone very early on helping coach definitely played a tremendous role.
Social Media Strategy
[29:56] But I think outside of social media and posting on social media, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn, all the different ones.
[30:05] The benefit is obviously it grows your business and it grows connections.
But I think the big one that everyone misses, it’s not just connecting with customers and consumers, but it’s connecting with people within your industry.
And for me, the moment that everything changed is when I realized that if I start making connections with other people in the industry in different parts of the country, number one, I might learn something.
You know, I definitely don’t consider myself to be the best detailer in the world.
I can always improve, but if I can meet other people in other parts of the country and maybe go work with them and start to connect with them, that could start growing my business.
And so, I just start making it a very consistent effort to start reaching out to other people on social media just to connect from a human standpoint as a detailer to detailer. Hey, you know, if I need help, can I call you?
If you need help, could you call me?
Balancing Business and Passion
[31:02] That’s when everything really changed, though. Well, I know that you have a role at Travers Automotive doing their social media content.
Where does your own detailing business fall into your life currently?
So there’s a…
There’s going to be some news coming up here. There’s not, unfortunately, a lot. We’ve talked kind of off-camera before some of this.
So, you know, I stopped detailing back in, I’m trying to get the exact time.
This had been late, mid-2022-ish. I had my shop inside of another business at the time, and I was doing services for them.
And so, you know, I used to detail out of my garage. And so the dream was to scale this into a large shop of my own.
Transitioning Business Decisions
[31:55] And in 2022, about halfway through the year, I had made the decision that I wanted to open an actual freestanding retail shop.
But a lot of things were going on, obviously, in 2022, 2023.
And I frankly just wasn’t confident enough in the economy at the time, because at that point I was thinking I’m going to continue doing all these high-end because you saw, you know, I did a bunch of crazy stuff here in St. Louis.
We’ve got a bunch of high-end kind of collector cars. We did a bunch of those types of details.
But every single day customers, you know, that’s really where the meat and potatoes are.
Doing high-end details all the time, that can be rough, especially in an area like St. Louis that just doesn’t have the wealth.
So I had a very large social media presence. I was already doing paid content creation for other people.
And that’s why I decided to kind of just put everything on pause.
And I accepted a contract with working for the Travers Automotive and RV Group, being their paid content creator, doing all of the social media, all the organic strategies. G’s.
Adapting to Economic Changes
[33:01] But over the last year, as this economy, I would say, has stabilized, you’re going to see this face again within the detailing industry.
I wish there’s some things that I could share.
They’re just not 100% buttoned up. But recently, I think you saw I had a visit from a friend here from a little polishing company. I don’t know if you saw any of that content.
So there’s definitely being some hints drop as to what’s to come.
[33:27] Oh yeah. It’s all about them cars. Okay.
So, so as a paid content creator and influencer for currently for Travers, how are you able to like keep your individual creativity while serving the commercial needs for, for a, an entity like that?
Well, the cool thing was, is that, you know, I, the owner of the group here, I’ve known since 2006, he’s a great guy.
And so, you know, I said, I need to have to continue this brand because I still do some influencing for some detailing detailing products, I say, you know, let me take a car home once a week, just let me take one that’s kind of messed up and we’ll clean it up and we’ll make some content with it.
And that’s kind of what we’ve been doing is, you know, bringing some cars home that we get in, either we bought them or they’re a trade in, and we’re just detailing them at home.
Obviously to keep skills up, but to kind of make some fresh content.
Creating Fresh Content
[34:16] I’ve been kind of putting out some of my older content, but I wanted to put out, you know, just some fresher content talking about, I think, things that just are more of an impact, to the guys and gals detailing today, you know, and I have many, many years of experience with detailing.
I’ve been detailing and polishing cars since 1992, you know, obviously, if you want to call it technically professionally, since 2019 when I incorporated, but trust me, prior to that, I polished lots and lots of cars.
[34:46] But, you know, I see guys today, you know, on social media, and I just question what’s the purpose of their social media?
You know, what is the purpose of it? Who are they marketing to?
Are they marketing to a customer? Are they marketing to another detailer?
So, yeah. One of the biggest sins that I see, absolutely, we call it detail porn, where they’re really, you know, maybe trying to impress the other detailers.
It’s not really showing what a problem is, what the solution is, or, you know, how you can be the authority that’s giving that.
It’s like, this is a hose shooting on a car, which does not answer anything.
Although it’s appealing to watch, kind of.
[35:24] It’s pretty and you know that the stuff that I’ve been really focusing on has just been more general stuff, Excuse me, you know, I made a video while back talking about product is important, Okay, products are important But what I’ve seen kind of this trend over the last three years or like really the last year and a half is more of an observer, of detailing social media is A couple of things number one.
Reevaluating Detailing Techniques
[35:48] It’s all become about product nothing about technique and And number two, I see guys just doing these crazy, crazy three-, four-, and five-step paint corrections on cars, and I just – I don’t know why.
Is that what the – I mean, I even think back to, you know, all the crazy cars.
And I’ve done everything from a P1 McLaren all the way to crazy rare cars from the 30s, the 40s, high net worth, crazy cars. I never said I want a five-step paint correction.
You know, you talk in generalities of what are we looking for, you know, and on a daily driver, why do you want to grind off the protection of the clear coat that the manufacturer put there for something that’s going to be run through a ton of wash?
It takes the kids to soccer.
You know, what are you doing? I’m not saying make the car look like a mess, but it’s just, again, why?
[36:46] Why are you doing things unnecessarily? Are you doing it to impress them, the customer? Are you trying to do it to impress someone on TikTok?
Because I don’t know about you. I mean, TikTok can pay some money, but the customer is paying the bill.
So just perform the services to the level that the customer is wanting.
This craziness of doing these three-step paint corrections on daily drivers, grinding down the clear coat, removing the protection put in place by the manufacturer, manufacturer, just a ceramic coat, something that they’re going to keep for two years and then sell, that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
[37:20] I look at it as, let’s talk with the customer, really ask them serious questions up front, see how long they plan on taking the car, how do they care for the car, and craft a service that fits their needs and their budget.
That’s how you grow your business. Not trying to impress somebody on Instagram by doing a three-step paint correction when the customer’s paying for a one-step.
Avoiding Overly Extensive Services
[37:38] Yeah. Yeah, I’m coming up on 20 years in the industry. And back in the day, that was all everybody was like in pissing matches about who polished the car at the longest. Well, I’m 20 hours into this.
And the funny thing is people were not getting paid for 20 hours of labor.
So on a business side, it’s a dismal idea.
And you’re really, you’re right. On a daily driver, you’re not serving the customer.
Maybe if it’s a show car, then that makes sense.
But even then on show cars, and I used to talk about this with customers all the time, I said, you know, we only want to remove so much material, right?
I mean if you plan on keeping this car you plan on showing it sadly, it’s going to get messed up again You know, you’re going to wipe it every single show even though like giving you instructions on how to do it the safest way You’re not going to do that.
People are going to lean up against it It’s going to get hit in the garage.
Something’s going to happen to it if we take this thing down to nothings to make it win a show And somebody scuffs up against the paint.
[38:36] I may not be able to fix it for you because there’s nothing left for me to fix.
So again, you know, the strategy, the strategy of doing what’s best for the customer, I think will always be the most beneficial thing for you in your business.
It’s just, again, who are you marketing to?
Another TikTok detailer or you’re marketing to the customer.
[38:54] Now in that detail side, so you’ve got a lot of experience, a vast, long line of experience weaving in and out of the industry.
Evolution of Detailing Innovations
[39:03] What do you think that, to you, the biggest innovations that have changed detailing, give me your top couple things that have changed the entire industry? history?
Yeah. Number one, obviously very simple. Um, the dual action polisher, um, you know, the dual action polisher, I have a love hate relationship with. It’s great.
Um, you know, it, it makes it more, uh, efficient, especially for less skilled people to be able to come in and perform a pain correction.
So obviously the dual action polisher, uh, you have to put ceramic coatings out there. I mean, ceramic coatings was a game changer when that came out.
It was like, Like, wait a second, we don’t have to put wax in the car every two weeks?
I mean, I remember when here, it was almost like a joke, right?
[39:47] Like, I, it was like, there’s no possible way. We kind of like, you know, what is that snake oil stuff that the people put out there?
You know, that hand-applied clear coat? That’s what we kind of thought it was initially.
But then you start realizing, okay, this is real, and this is smart.
And I think that where the rubber met the road is like when the guy told me I can get $25 extra for wax, but when somebody told me I can get an extra $500 to $1,000 for putting on a ceramic coating, that was a game changer.
That was a game changer um i would say those are for me also they’re you’re we’re right right in line yeah and probably number three the last thing that’s been the biggest change to the detailing industry it’s not directly related to it obviously it is social media it has changed this the landscape of everything that we do the availability of information the availability to train podcast um you know sadly most people learn how to detail from from the internet university It’s true.
[40:41] It really, really is. So thinking back to that, the social media, and do you remember, of course, I’m sure you do.
Viral Video Experiences
[40:48] The very first video that you had that actually started to go viral.
And like, tell me what that video was. And like how you felt as you were watching, because you get this really cool dopamine shot every way as those numbers keep crawling.
But tell me a little bit about how you felt and what it was.
Yeah, so it was Thanksgiving back in 2021. My wife’s friend was over she just bought a new car and there were some rotary swirls on like the rear corner panel or something and she said hey when i come over would you mind taking care of that i said sure you know i’ll hit it real quick because i had to take my daughter out to teach her how to drive she had just turned 15 and a half got a permit that day or the day before so we had to go out so i said all right let me do it i thought well you know everything’s content right threw a camera made this terrible video terrible video somehow posted it on tiktok you know this is back when And I really wasn’t concerned that much about like performance of the video.
Posted it, went to bed, woke up the next day, opened up my phone and I had like 10 jillion notifications.
[41:46] And I think I forgot initially what the thing got. I think it was initially like a million overnight.
And I was like, whoa, a million people watched something I made.
I mean, that was just crazy.
And then I got nervous because it was a terrible video and people are making all sorts of comments. And that’s when I realized, though, that, you know, love the troll.
The troll is what drives the engagement on your video.
So I embraced the troll.
And the rest was history. The rest was history.
So you get to do the social media. You get a paid position doing social media and influencing stuff.
Producing a Weekly TV Show
[42:25] And you also produce a TV show. Tell me kind of about what you look to do with that job and how you produce your content in like doing a weekly TV show.
That’s next level stuff.
[42:39] You know, it’s really not. I would love to tell you it’s super fancy.
That weekly TV show is filmed on an iPhone 13 Pro Max every single week.
They’re recorded on Rode mics.
They’re edited on CapCut. And it’s really not as hard as you think it would be. I mean, I think that’s the great thing when I do meet with other business owners that, you know, that say, hey, could you help us with your social media and that.
When you start showing them what’s available just as a business owner on the digital marketing side because of the technology we have available, I think that really blows their mind.
When I tell them I make a TV show every week. Now, what it is, it’s a weekly inventory showcase show.
If you’re in St. Louis, Saturday night, 10 o’clock, it’s paid programming, obviously.
[43:24] It is linked on the YouTube if you ever want to watch it. but it’s not as difficult as it sounds I think we really underestimate our capabilities just as business owners in general on what’s capable so I do the weekly show every single week it is 30 minutes I do it with the owner some weeks I am the main host some weeks on the fill-in host but I do I publish and create a 30 minute TV show here locally on st.
Louis and then we have 13 assets so 13 different accounts through Meta, so Facebook and Instagram, for the 13 different locations that we have.
We also have a main TikTok account, and of course a YouTube channel.
So I’m doing all the content for the YouTube, typically it’s related to RVs, all the organic stuff on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.
[44:11] And I do have to do individual content for all the separate locations.
The TikTok is merged, the YouTube is merged, plus the TV show.
So basically I live behind a camera and editing.
[44:22] All the time. So you’ve mentioned TikTok as kind of as your first thing to get into it.
I was that was probably the last piece of social media that I joined.
And I just had in my head, you know, for detailers, if they’re trying to sell ceramic coating that the ideal customer is probably going to be somewhere between 40 and 60 ish, you know, in a certain thing.
And I would argue before anyway, that maybe that’s not where that customer lives, but it’s worked out incredibly well for you.
Can you shed a little light on like what audience that you hit from each of the platforms that you use on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and TikTok?
[45:00] Yeah, so I would tell you honestly, from just an advertising standpoint, I mean, TikTok is important.
It is. But I think you need to understand the age of the users for each one of these platforms.
Next to YouTube, which has the the youngest age of a viewer believe it or not it’s the youngest age as a group is actually youtube tiktok is number two instagram and then facebook so if you are new to detailing or new to a business you need to have all the platforms i would probably say initially facebook and instagram are going to be your key facebook mainly um but the advantage of tiktok is and this is This is where I talk about who you’re marketing to, the customer or another detailer.
You have a younger generation of people here on TikTok.
This is where I think you may be able to educate the customer a little bit better.
So again, as opposed to making all these great, cool videos, showing these great transitions of that awesome Dodge Charger you just paint corrected in the sunlight, which is cool, break down what that service costs, how that could help them.
[46:06] And alternatives. Education is key. So that’s where I would go on TikTok.
Targeting Different Social Media Platforms
[46:11] On Facebook, obviously, I want to say the average age of a Facebook user is 35.
I think it’s 35, 33, 27, and 19, if I remember correctly from my head, the average age of all those people, you to be the youngest.
You know, Facebook is huge.
[46:27] Instagram is big. TikTok is big. TikTok, in my opinion, is becoming more about selling stuff on that little shop of theirs, which I have stuff, go to my shop. bought itself on a TikTok shop.
But it’s really an online shopping platform any more than it is, I think, a social media sharing platform.
Not that meta isn’t, but TikTok has gone a different direction.
And it’s not the platform it used to be, in my opinion, from a marketing perspective.
When you start looking at what can you do to put together a legion campaign and put together a sales attribution, because at the end of the day, guys, it doesn’t matter what you market if you’re doing this for money for people at the other day they want to know how many sales that i get from everything that i just spent all that money on to pay you to create for me did it generate a sale right like that’s what it really comes down to so you can possibly get that on tick tock but where you’re really going to get that it’s going to be on facebook honestly i’m just i’m just being truthful with you guys yeah i don’t know that i’m going to like the answer to this question or not But I take all of kind of my same content and I put it on to all of those channels, Sure, do you do you separate and have different kinds of content?
Okay, it’s still the same time I’m so glad you said that I didn’t want you to make me have to make different content for different channels.
[47:43] Well, I think you have to think about it number one There is a diff, you know, there is a different viewer across the board But the the the continent of itself is the same at least it should be right detailing is detailing now Now, if you want to change that up, I think if you’re going to take something that’s maybe a little more dicey and edgy and you like to put scantily clad women in your videos and use cuss words and songs and things like that, maybe only put that on TikTok.
If I were you on Facebook, I would keep it highly professional, right down the middle.
Act as if. You know, if you were out looking for a professional to take care of your car, and all this music on his videos and cuss words, and they just like an idiot.
I’m not choosing that guy. Again, I’m talking from an old 40 year old boomer.
But I mean, you guys have got to think about that the people that have the money for your services are going to be a little bit older.
It’s just food for thought, just something to keep in mind. And I think you mentioned also, you know, what how you’re talking to those people and what kind of music you’re putting in them.
Definitely try to reach out for something that’s going to resonate with the customer that you’re trying to reach.
[48:52] No, absolutely. Absolutely. You can post all the same stuff across.
You know, look, at the end of the day, what I tell everybody is that the key is posting.
Now we want quality content, we want people to be happy, we want you to get engagement.
But what’s worse is posting nothing.
Okay, so you have to start posting.
Balancing Humorous and Informative Content
[49:14] And you know what like almost every one of the days i’m coming in and i’m trying to hit two short videos a day that seems to be my jam the short videos um of course so i try to put out like two short videos every day and it seems like the things that get the most action for me are when i’m just doing complete jackassery like if i’m making a silly video i found great success in going to trade shows and like walking around with somebody else and just picking up items and pretending that there’s something else like those sure get a ton when i try to deliver something that is from the heart that i think is really helpful to people that like doesn’t go over as well do you know is there a recipe that works the best or do you just kind of keep throwing everything and and taking because i couldn’t just put out all jackassery like there there has to be the other side too.
[50:08] I think it comes down to your social media plan, right? Like how many are going to post a day?
So if you’re going to post two videos a day, are you at five days a week or seven days a week?
Seven days a week. Seven days. Okay. So every single day. Thank you.
You know, mix it up. Maybe it’s an every other day thing. You go from something funny to something informative.
I think the key to getting an informative video though, is you’ve got to I remember a few things.
Number one, you have a very small window, this big to capture somebody’s attention.
So when I watch other videos and I see that they don’t perform for people and they ask me what’s wrong, here’s what I’ll tell you.
The one thing you never ever wanna have happen is, okay, so somebody, they scroll, and all of a sudden they see this.
Nothing comes out of your mouth for like two seconds, and then you start talking.
They’ve already scrolled bro They’ve already scrolled right from the get-go You have to be talking and you have to have that hook right from the very beginning So if you watch a few videos that I posted like I had one very very about two weeks ago.
I go God, what was it? It was like, um, you know, I call it kind of a trap, but it’s like, you know You know ceramic coatings are a waste of time.
[51:21] I I pause for a second and then I lead it off with, if you’re one of those people that think that, then I’m going to sit back and relax while I tell you why you’re wrong.
So in that first three, four seconds, I’ve yelled at you, I got your attention, I told you you’re stupid and ugly and you’ve got to listen to me.
Guess what? People are going to do that. So really you have to start thinking about, initially, what’s going to grab their attention?
If you’re acting like an idiot, sure, that’s going to get their attention or you don’t have your clothes on or something weird, that’s easy, right? Right.
But to get somebody to listen to you, be up close, talk right away and keep things going.
Don’t be afraid to to put B-roll over the top of something. You know, if you can keep transition of something new every two to three seconds while you’re voicing over something or talking, even in the background, it matters.
I promise you, you will see your videos do that.
And telling a story always going to be good because people love a story.
Embracing AI in Content Creation
[52:14] But from your perspective and i don’t know maybe you you’ve stepped into this and you’ve become an influencer so you ride the wave of what’s going on but you also have to always be thinking about what the next thing is what do you think the next thing in in social media and is going to be and how are you preparing to be ready for it it’s going to be ai i mean i will tell you as a content creator who has to create tons of content both myself and other people you have to utilize ai.
[52:46] For multiple reasons. You talked earlier about people being able to get on camera, right?
Look, I work with hundreds of people every month in our business, right?
Either a customer or a salesman or it’s the guy down at the service shop or somebody out of an RV.
Not everybody wants to be on the camera. Not everyone wants to be behind a camera.
Not everyone wants to talk.
So you have to figure out ways to either allow people to work within that restriction of, let’s say, not wanting to be on camera, and just adapting to what works for you.
And I think that’s really the key. Be yourself on camera, find out what works best for you, and stick with that content.
Because again, it’s about keeping yourself in that algorithm, hosting good, strong content where people are either laughing, crying, or you taught them something.
I mean, that’s really what it comes down to. You either made them laugh or you teach them something. If you do that, you will have some success.
So throughout your career which has been a really long and storied career from the first time you went and saw cars in the drag races to uh cleaning the first car in that trans am um going to school, do flipping burgers for a while fireman nurse unsuccessful professional frogger player.
[54:10] Into detailing into social media.
What are some really important lessons that you’ve learned for the whole big encompassing thing?
Key Lessons for Success
[54:21] Yeah, no, I think I will tell you this.
No matter what it is you’re looking to do, whether it’s detailing or social media, the key is finding out who you are and making sure that you understand what’s important to you and what your values are what motivates you and what drives you and use those as those guiding principles for everything that you do going forward being realistic with yourself and not making promises that you can’t deliver on your own I think one and I’m so terrible about this you know that that old mentality that over promise under deliver and just you know saying and and committing yourself to things that you just can’t.
Make sure you can deliver everything that you commit to. That’s number one.
[55:12] Number two, people have to like you.
People don’t like cocky. People don’t like the narcissist. People don’t want the know-it-all.
People want someone who’s gonna listen to them. And it’s a challenge.
I mean, trust me, I mean, we’re in sales, both of us, effectively.
We love to talk, but you gotta learn to be quiet. it.
So be honest, be sincere, know what drives you, and just be nice to people.
It is so simple but so hard at the same time.
Those have been some huge keys that have allowed me when crazy things in my life have happened, God, things have happened crazy in my life, so that when one thing happens, because I was a good guy and I try to be nice to people and try to help them when I needed help, I could go to that next person and help get me to where I need to be.
So that’s, you know, just the thing, be nice to people, and just be sincere.
So simple, so true. So simple, so true. Okay.
Future Business Ventures
[56:14] I’m excited to hopefully do some more work with, can you talk any more about what your upcoming plans are in the future? Yeah.
So I’ll kind of give you just kind of a brief thing. And we do have to kind of wrap up, because I’m getting, I am getting, sorry.
[56:31] You will see, hopefully over the next 90 days, my re-entry into the detailing world.
It’s going to be amazing. It’s going to be a combination of three different things from a retail detailing perspective, from an e-commerce platform perspective, and from a training perspective. perspective.
I already have some commitments from some pretty large companies and people, to participate in this. They understand.
They know the full vision. You and I have kind of talked off camera.
You kind of know what’s going on behind the scenes.
I truly feel what I’m about ready to do.
Long term, once we have it fully developed, we’ll change the face.
A detailer, meaning somebody who says, I want to be a detailer and open up a business, goes about detailing.
Not from a process of how we paint correct a car, but just how to operate it like a business.
I cannot wait to have everything, you know, to where I can show you guys and share all with you.
I’m just trying to tie up a few loose ends that are just not 100% yet.
But man, I’m telling you guys, when you see what we’re getting ready to do.
[57:48] The fact that it’s going to be able to help you guys as well, I think that’s going to be so cool.
I’m going to be so transparent about everything that I’m doing because the big lack of education out there is we teach people how to paint correct on TikTok and YouTube and everything else. We don’t teach anybody how to be a business owner.
We don’t teach them how to market to a customer, how to create a lead generation campaign, how to post on your Google business profile, how to have a CRM and market and what to do with that information, how to sell services, how to package services.
So I probably told you a little bit more than I wanted to, but I’m telling you guys, make sure you’re following me, make sure you’re paying attention to me.
I’m looking for a couple of investors. That’s one little final thing here because we want to scale this to a certain level slowly.
So we’re waiting on a couple more commitments, but you’ll see something very, very, very soon. I can’t wait to tell you. It’s going to be amazing.
Embracing Transparency and Education
[58:45] Guaranteed. It sounds incredible. and you know what?
[58:50] If we were in the same room doing this instead of halfway across the country, I’d high five and then I’d give you a hug, whether you wanted it or not.
So you and I, you and I do need to get together.
I’d love to do more with you. I think, you know, this is exactly what I was talking about.
Other detailers just getting together, meeting on social media, meeting online, getting together, working together.
And whatever that means, if you take one little thing away from someone else that you met and you’re now better at it, it’s a win. It’s a win.
And exactly the reason that I got certified through Mike Michalowicz Fix This Next, to help these guys with the business side.
So that is absolutely, absolutely what they need.
Matt, I’m glad that I met you. I had a ball interviewing you.
If somebody wants to find you online, how do they do that?
[59:40] It might even be a better question to say, if they want to find you online, how do they not do that?
You know, I’m on all platforms. So Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
The easiest way is probably just go to my Facebook.
It’s just my name, Matthew J. Fleschman on Facebook.
And then it’s just the card ad, STL, TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, you name it. It’s there.
You won’t miss me. If the algorithm does, if I do my job right, the algorithm will make me, will bring me to you.
Wrapping up with Gratitude
[1:00:06] Absolutely. Absolutely. All right, Matthew, thank you so much for hanging out with me and for your time and being on the Owner’s Pride podcast.
I appreciate it. All right. We’ll see you then. Thank you so much for taking some time out of your day to hang out with us here on the Owner’s Pride Podcast.
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